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NanetteB

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    05/04/10 at 05:45 PMReply with quote#31
Seeings how this is a public forum, catseye, I thought you might like to see California's Protection of Public Participation Act @ http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/2008-48/20080912-37699/pdf/2008-48.pdf

This will give you the low down, and if you decide to take action then you may want to refer to this seciton of the law. It covers what is protected public speech and communications, but either way, like I said, CY hasn't got a big enough leg to stand on!
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    05/04/10 at 09:02 PMReply with quote#32
Nanette B. ....Have no fear for, I'm still here. I saw your post #30 and, I thought I would let you know that I'm still around. All of this talk about the incredible and wonderful C.Y. (according to him) (????) has caused me to fall back on what I've learned throughout my life..... That being, if you can't say anything good about someone then, don't say anything at all. I might make a few comments about him though. The way I see it C.Y. is___________ ------------- _____ ------- and also----- ________ --------- ______ but, ------- ______________ ------. Additionally he ------ ____________ ------ and, ________ ----- however, __________ ------------ ____ ------- or somewhat similar to that. I guess what I'm trying to say is, --------_________ ------- but, then again, I could be wrong. Thank you and take care.
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    05/05/10 at 11:19 AMReply with quote#33
trustno1, I just logged on because I wanted to thank websitetoolbox for their support but I see you have posted something with all the spaces for words and empty comments in between words, so, IMO, you just made it easier for CY to post in his blog things out of context by you! That said, my thanks goes to the people who run websitetoolbox which has an office in India, the worlds largerst Democracy! In a Democracy you have rights like Free Speech. Thank You India, Thanks Umesh Kumaar as I believe you checked the context and contents online and know that what is going on at this MB is watched by the world and Free Speech, Justice, esp, when it fails over the years, in the end, in a Democracy lays in the hands of it's countries people as they are at the bottom of a Democratic checks and balances system.

I Love India, today as much as the USA! My thank you gift to India, now online: "Buddha's Hand of Peace" by me 1999 http://yfrog.com/g0hyzi edited May 6 2010: Ooopss, MyBAD, if you don't have twitter, can't link to yfrog? so... here's the link: http://s809.photobucket.com/albums/zz12/KKASES/Catseyes_Photos/?action=view¤t=BuddhasHandofPeace020110.jpg
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trustno1

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    05/05/10 at 07:03 PMReply with quote#34
Catseye....The reason for all the blank and empty spaces is because like I said, if you can't say anything good to say then, don't say anything. As for C.Y. using those blank spaces to write something out of context about me in his blog, I could really care less. His imagination is all he needs to blast away at someone. Thanks for the heads up and concern since I understand what you mean. Thank you and take care.
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    05/06/10 at 09:44 AMReply with quote#35
trustno1....I know what you mean, too! Oh, I shouldn't have put the pause dots.....that may end up on another opposing sites MB. So, my message to other people at other message boards: at least use copy/paste and quote entirely....usernames and all. And if you don't want people to have this, disconnect rightclick from your site and/or have subscription access only. I'd love to copy/paste what I have found lately and put it here but, to those who read this MB, if you want to see what was posted here and replied about elsewhere and not after the other sites editing, use google cache with the search words. I don't believe google will ever take this down as they are determined to keep Free Speech alive and to keep what was once put online, online for good and available in their search engine databases.
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    05/07/10 at 10:48 PMReply with quote#36
If anyone has the links to other Zodiac message boards feel free to post them here.
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    05/11/10 at 05:31 PMReply with quote#37
Dennis, we are not the only blogspot and/or place to post things regarding the truth about Zodiac Killer and those incessantly running deadmen long since cleared as Zodiac Suspects as a suspect of choice and getting complaints from webhosts:
http://www.by-stander.blog.com/?p=3121792 or just check out:
http://www.by-stander.blog.com "Witness". I hope I typed it correctly but this blogger has had, according to their blog, kept on getting comments posted full of vulgarity by Voigt, then a female name whom they believe was Voigt sent complaint to company, then got warning from their webhost about the vulgarity (which of course may have said things like 'or we'll dismantle your pages' if don't delete the lines), got worn out from constantly complying to the complaint, so, blogger decided to remove the comment section. Read on at the site....it's a bit of dejavu (mispelt that?). Their last post was a few months ago.
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    06/29/10 at 06:54 PMReply with quote#38
Jack was a proficient hunter, butcher, and soldier. What more is there to say? Lots of compelling details and similarities exist. Please research, and question, and query...PLEASE!

Who am I? I am just one individual with a perspective and opinion. I usually keep to myself....I like to work alone...
Sometimes, though, we all need to work with others. I refuse to fall into this pit of pothetic posting by the rotten peanut gallery. Why complain??? There is no tug of war if you let go of the rope. Energy and time are just being squandered...I think this and you think that...great...now move on...because there are so many intelligent people with so much to offer and I am priviledged to have met a few of you.

IF WE ALL PARTICIPATED WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF WORK, PROBLEMS WOULD BE MORE EASILY WORKED OUT, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS! nOT SOMEONE ELSE'S JOB...NOTHING DOESN'T CUT IT EITHER...OH, and if YOU CANT COOK, THEN STAY OUTTA THE KITCHEN AND DON'T MESS WITH THE OTHER HELP.

KNOWING THAT DENNIS HAS WORKED WITH MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED. FANTASTIC STORY IN ITSELF. REALLY, THIS IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE AND LE WORKING TOGETHER, SYSTEMS OR PROCEDURES SHOULD BE CONSISTENT, STANDARDS SHOULD BE SET, AUDITS SHOULD BE RANDOMLY PERFORMED TO KEEP ALL AGENCIES RUNNING SMOOTHLY! IT IS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE LOOK UP WHAT WE LOGGED AND FIND IT IN ITS PLACE AS FILED! EVIDENCE SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE TO ANY AUTHORIZED AGENCY AS NECESSARY TO FURTHER "THE INVESTIGATION"....(not my investigation, or Dennis's investigation, or the god-damned FBI's investigation...)wHAT'S WITH THE BATTLE BETWEEN WEBSITES AND BASHING OF BLOGS???

THE ONE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO RESEARCH, COMPILE, COMPARE, AND ANALYZE ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE EVIDENCE IN ORDER TO REACH A SOLUTION OR CONCLUSION...
INCONCLUSIVE SHOULD NOT BE THE RESULT OF ONE'S INABILITY TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION AND DATA DUE TO LACK OF CO-OPERATION!!! OH...OR DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING, OR LACK OF EQUIPMENT, OR HOW ABOUT LACK OF INTEREST...OR WORSE YET, LACK OF EFFORT BECAUSE ALL OF THESE UNSOLVED HOMICIDES ARE UNSOLVED BECAUSE AUTHORITIES BOTCHED THINGS ROYALLY, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND ARE UNWILLING TO FACE UP TO THEIR MISTAKES!
Should one be embarrassed by one's mistakes? When they are supposed to be the example to all of the other agencies in the state, the country, the world!!! I do not think anyone wants an apology, just a simple look at where things went wrong so it won't happen again. People learn from each other, and not by keeping secrets or covering up "boo-boo's". Kudos to those who are trying to contribute!!!

Sticks and stones can break my bones, but
Who is this hurting in the long run, ANYHOW? JACK???
I don't think Jack feels a thing.

PS. Doesnt key mean legend?...hmmmm....
that's another thread

PSS. SORRY...NO OTHER SITES TO REFER YOU TO AT THE MOMENT, BUT I WILL UTILIZE THIS THREAD IF THE NEED ARISES...
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    07/09/10 at 10:15 PMReply with quote#39
Wow! Winnie, I missed your 6/29/10 post. Read it and thank you for the reinvigerating perspective. That said, I see that other MBs are infering that I am a silent partner in Websites like this one...Thank you for making me look a bit more richer as it goes with my sparkling babbles that I wear. I am an Investor, though and just invested funds, again...I may be a girl but I am always on the lookout for a good investment. Funds spent regarding Dennis, Jack and aiding in investigations are well spent. Whether or not I get financial return at some point in the near and/or distant future is my business as the immediate goal is to just close these cases which, IMO, like Winnie may agree, is priceless and that has always been my aim: to help solve these cases. I see an avenue opening up in the direction of getting the Zodiac cases to close and it will involve someone in an influencial Federal position and I will seize that opportunity. Just letting this and the other MBs...who insist on telling others I am a financial backer...know. Look out Martha Stewart, Oprah, Meg Whitman, Queen Elizabeth ( I love her Royal Jewels!)....here I come!
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    07/11/10 at 11:24 AMReply with quote#40
Dennis...think Rick Larsen and how he was recruited and you will understand why this post. My apologies to Rick Larsen as at least you knew Jack and had familiarity with Zodiac cases but you turned on Dennis when recruited by opposition who have since dropped supporting you. Those opposing Dennis have stooped to recruiting people who never knew Jack and certainly don't know Jacks%^t about ZK....like 2009's Debra Perez who's been mocked since then. Sorry for long post but here it goes:

Other MBs...when you recruit people that can't even understand how to use a Dictionary and don't understand what The Oxford English Dictionary is for....the history of languages and the words origions, that the primary meaning can be traced back 1000s of years, well, the credibility of that individual and your MB/site gets hammered. BUT since I am familiar with your tactics, I know you are aware of this. So, this is a one-time warning to you: "frndly", be wary of who you were recruited by because these people are, very, sadistic and love to beat up even their own members and will turn on you in a hot secound! They know how dumb you are, that you are ill-informed on Zodiac cases and will use that against you and let the whole world see it because they know the world watches the Zodiac Killer cases. My stats show this from Russia to UK to Canada to China to Malaysia to Columbia, Brazil and more. Stop while you are ahead frndly or you will be made an A$$ of these cases by the people who recruited you as after-all being negative is what they are really about and they don't care if the whole planet sees a bashing of an idiot. frndly, I don't want to see you bashed but frankly, if you continue trying to discredit me, thus discrediting Dennis & FBI investigations (YES, THE FBI is involved from Sacramento to HQ!) then you will deserve it coming from the UK, Canada, Brazil, etc and I won't come to your rescue as you seem to always be attracted to a bashing & public mockery, since you were born. TRUST me, this time trouble will be on a GLOBAL scale for the public to see and it will be presented not by me but by the very, people at the opposing MBs/sites who enjoy creating train-wrecks. That said, thanks for the negative publicity because people come around to see for themselves and see the truth about Jack Tarrance and who's sincerely, honestly not hiding behind an avatar or username working to solve these cases....Dennis, FBI (Hopkins), Nanette Barto (Professional Expert Forensic Document Examiner), Media (CBS, ABC, FOX and more to come) AND ME (I did the Ciphers). So, frndly, who are the public going to trust People w/ faces displaying their solid and credible research/evidence (both Professionally paid & Amateur alike) out there for the world to see or the negative faceless/nameless full of rants and misgivings?
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    07/13/10 at 12:52 PMReply with quote#41
To all at the Social Networking site that are trying to bury Dennis Kaufman's accomplishments: Take a cue from the FACTS that (1)no News Media has covered H. Davis research & suspect long cleared by LE/FBI; (2)no News Media has covered "Voigt" and his obsession of chasing the mystery of Zodiac Killer in years!; (3) no News Media has covered Documentary's based on obsessed mystery chasers who haven't solved it! So, that said, get a clue that no one really likes to see Cyberstalking anybody & everybody that includes the FBI, ABC, CBS, ID that has covered/backed Dennis Kaufman. I chuckled this morning when I saw the retweet of my therealzodiackiller.com link, as that is how desperate for attention you (and I am trying to be nice here!) little dweebs fighting with Dennis issues as-if he's your Stepbrother that you can't stand, are. The tweet by you and when people click on your avatar link takes them right back to a group of whiny, little Cyberstalkers who have ill-invested their funds into a lackluster and boring Documentary that people won't even pay a nickle for made 4 years, ago. Gotta go, I have invested my funds and time wisely....worth more now and hey, REAL men, not you Dweebs, I AM SINGLE and Smart enough to see Handwriting, Evidence, JTs, FLOVas Jack Clues in letters all say JT is ZK!
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    07/16/10 at 09:41 PMReply with quote#42
Zodiac Killer Facts: I know you read this MB, so, WTF is up with someone trying to bring up your version of the facts of the Zodiac Killer cases 2007 and who's had suspects brought forth and not bring up Dennis Kaufman & Jack Tarrance having FBI, Media interests unlike any other suspects? Is it you, site runner doing this at a Social Networking site? Or is it someone else as I note your website hasn't been updated since 2007 and Dennis, FBI, et al have been surfacing since then which is a Zodiac Killer Fact. I am not trying to be snide here just wondering what's up with your site being brought up as when it does, it makes people notice it's not updated and the stuff there (Mystery Quest etc) is older than the hills that surround me and then they want more info and find it in Jack Tarrance issues. Is it a strange way to give publicity for Dennis as you believe his & FBIs cases? It's all good, if this is what you are doing.
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    07/26/10 at 07:47 PMReply with quote#43
All of you at the other MBs and the hopefuls that wish the public doesn't see this: http://bit.ly/a3aGNq That's the door to the FBI's FOIA Zodiac Killer pages with oodles of clarified information on all of your suspects cleared decades ago, many cleared before some of you were born. I found this particular link while trying to find an official way to combat some *^%$ trying to get Ted K. name back up into the ZK suspects mix. SO, go dig deep, read it and weep, Jack Tarrance isn't among those cleared as there is still an ongoing FBI investigation! So, IMVHO, no redacted files on JT, yet.

That said, after reading a recent post by ("somebody" whomweallknowandlove) trying to get attention that Dennis is a fraud (again), please understand that the people behind BeyondInvestigation and GhostFest are real professionals who know how to look for facts to see if Dennis is lying or not. They won't find this on Google as you suggested. All they will find is your fraudulant site. If Dennis was a fraud, he wouldn't have been asked to appear on the radio (more than once!) and the events they are apart of.
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    07/30/10 at 12:48 AMReply with quote#44
catseye, I believe the zodiackillerfacts.com site has been updated more recently than 2007. If you notice, there are huge sections on the Gaikowski fiasco that were posted much more recently. The main text on the page doesn't automatically update.

I hope that helps.
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    08/06/10 at 06:30 PMReply with quote#45
I felt that this post was perfect for this thread. Mostly because of the other boards that find reason to talk smack about my abilities as a document examiner, and to down rate my capabilities:

Today is the 2nd most bestest day in my document examining career.

I recevied a call from a potential client's attorney who confirmed that they were looking for a second opinion, and I know that this can either be good or bad. Either way, I was informed that they had hired a local document examiner that was ABFDE certified. Now this is my intended group of affiliation which is why I am schooling for my B/A. But, after today's experience I am less than convinced that this title holds any bearing. Anyway, my story goes.....

For all the jerks I have ran across in my time on this board, please reference the frequently asked questions on the official website of American Board Forensic Document Examiners:

Frequently Asked Questions


What do the terms "forensic science" and "forensic document examination" mean?
Forensic science is the application of various sciences to the law. The application of allied sciences and analytical techniques to questions concerning documents is termed forensic document examination. The examination of questioned documents consists of the analysis and comparison of questioned handwriting, hand printing, typewriting, commercial printing, photocopies, papers, inks, and other documentary evidence with known material in order to establish the authenticity of the contested material as well as the detection of alterations.

How can forensic document examiners help attorneys and law enforcement officers?
Forensic document examiners (FDEs) help lawyers by examining and offering written opinions on a variety of disputed document problems including: wills, deeds, medical records, income tax records, time sheets, contracts, loan agreements, election petitions, checks, and anonymous letters. Lawyers benefit from an FDEs specialized knowledge of literature in the questioned document field. This knowledge will assist lawyers in preparing meaningful direct examination questions for their own experts and cross-examination questions for opposing experts.


What kind of education does it take to become a document examiner? There is no college degree or major in forensic document examination. The majority of FDEs have undergraduate or master's degrees, however. Most of the recognized regional and national forensic science organizations require a baccalaureate degree as a condition of membership.

Has a competent document examiner received specialized training?
Like most forensic disciplines, on-the-job specialized training from experienced examiners is the only way to acquire expertise. No substitute exists for a legitimate structured training program. Forensic document examination does not lend itself to autodidactic learning or to correspondence courses.

The American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE) is the only certifying board sponsored by the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, the Canadian Society of Forensic Sciences, The Southeastern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and is recognized by the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. The minimum requirement established by the ABFDE for training in forensic document examination is a two-year apprenticeship in a recognized forensic laboratory or with an examiner in private practice who has previously received proper training. (This is where I sit)

What do you mean when you say you "certify" document examiners?
The American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE) is the only certifying board sponsored by the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, the Canadian Society of Forensic Sciences, The Southeastern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and is recognized by the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. The minimum requirement established by the ABFDE for training in forensic document examination is a two-year apprenticeship in a recognized forensic laboratory or with an examiner in private practice who has previously received proper training.
Minimum qualifications for ABFDE certification are:

•· Baccalaureate degree
•· Full-time training program in a recognized document laboratory
•· Full-time practice of forensic document examination
Anyone selecting an FDE should beware of sound-alike organizations that claim to have their own certification. Job announcements from federal and state laboratories that hire FDEs consistently include certification by ABFDE or eligibility to be certified by ABFDE as a required or desired qualification. No recent job announcement has acknowledged another certifying board for FDEs.


Are there different categories of certification?
There is only one category of certification - diplomate. There are no "retired" Diplomates or "emeritus" Diplomates. Either an examiner is currently certified by the ABFDE or they are not.

Download further certification information


Is graphology the same as forensic document examination?
Graphology or graphoanalysis attempts to predict character traits from handwriting examination. Forensic document examination involves the analysis and comparison of questioned documents with known material in order to identify, whenever possible, the author or origin of the questioned document. Some graphologists call themselves handwriting analysts or document examiners and are therefore confused with FDEs. In U.S. v. Bourgeois 950 F 2d 980 (5th Cir. 1992), the court rejected the testimony of a proffered handwriting examiner, in part, because his training was completed through a correspondence school and strongly emphasized graphoanalysis. But it also pointed out that the witness was not certified by the ABFDE.

Where can I find a qualified forensic document examiner?
Attorneys should search for FDEs who are active members in the recognized national and/or regional forensic science organizations.


How can I make sure my witness is really an expert?
Certifications and credentials should be carefully examined in your expert witness selections. Do they have the proper training, education, professional memberships, certification, and necessary experience) Attorneys should be aware that persons who advertise as handwriting analysts may be self-trained or trained as graphologists. Groups outside of the mainstream forensic science organizations abound.

Now that we are straight on a criteria for a document examiner, back to my story.

So my new client hires this ABFDE certified examiner who on initial exam says that his industry uses a 1-10 scale, and the he felt comfortable saying the halographic will matched the known exemplars provided. Then the examiner requests further documentation from the opposing side. After reviewing these documents, the document examiner reverses his opinion on the halographic will that it is a forgery. (Not written by the same hand as the known exemplars)

This is where I come in. The client says he wants a second opinion, and that he doesn't trust this examiner for various reasons. His attorney calls today and sends over the known and questioned documents.

I had just printed them out and was taking a preliminary look when I received a call from the attorney telling me he had sent the documents. I explained, "that I was looking at them and had been for about 5 minutes," right away the evidence was suggesting there were more than one person involved in these signatures. I indicated this to the attorney, but told him I would continue to do my job and get back to him on anything concrete.

A few minutes later the client called, and I asked about 2 of the exemplars submitted by the opposing counsel and himself, and found out almost immediately that there were in fact 3 people involved in the different exemplars I was provided.

Not bad for about 15 minutes work.

That brings me back to these experts that I am bashed with on a constant basis from people who have very little education in this field. Why did this examiner not pick up on the fact that there were more than one handwriting sample being presented before calling the will a forgery? Your guess is as good as mine!!!

I will update this post once I have completed my examination to let you know the outcome. I think that it warrants the public's attention that just because you read a credential behind someone's name, doesn't mean they know what they are doing, or your other option is that they are corrupt.
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