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The 4c stamp does not look like the black and white version. It is very apparent how the stamp is laid out in red, but the connection between the cent sign and the 4 is not holding true to what we see on JT's stamp; however, a bad copy could have caused the images to appear connected. Like I said previously without the actual card it truly is undeterminable!
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This is another version of a "My Name Is" solve done by mummydearest in their first post and thread. I always found it interesting but a bit complex, yet, even mummydearest was open enough in this first post to say that they felt they were on to something, could be right to some degree. The reason why I think that there are other ways to partly solve this particular cryptogram is, since Zodiac wrote to newspapers, they would know that SF Chronicle & The Examiner had a combined Sunday Edition with all sorts of word puzzles on one page: Crypotograms, Word Jumble (used cicled letters to fill spaces), Crossword Puzzle, etc. and I believe Jack as Zodiac combined word puzzles, so, other solves that arrive to the similiar end are possible. Personally, I favor trustno1's solve because it's easier to arrive at JT being the man as Zodiac Killer. [IMG][/IMG]
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[B]"First of all, as a newcomer here, hello to everyone!
I've been playing around with the "My name is -" cipher and came up with what, for me, was a startling analysis of it yesterday afternoon. Bear in mind, this is 100% personal speculation and amateur analysis, and I could have nailed it, be halfway correct, or be dead wrong. I'm very interested in others' comments on what I've come up with.
First of all, I am using Z (zodiac sign), 8 (eight in a circle), and J (upside-down Ares symbol, which I believe to be a mirrored J) to represent the non-alphabet characters. With that in mind, my characters appear A E N Z 8 K 8 M 8 J N A M.
The first symbol to catch my eye was the eight in a circle. It is the only character to appear three times, but also, its positioning segments the cipher at it's "core."
---------------AENZ(8K8M8)JNAM------------------
Sandwiched between the 8s are the letters KM. Instantly, I think "kilometers." I run a calculation on 8 KILOMETERS and find that it is just under 5 MILES (4.97 miles).
--------------AEN(Z)8K8M8(J)NAM-----------------
Layered after the 8-KM are the symbol for Zodiac and the mirrored J. This is the part I believe represents "Jack the Zodiac." Zodiac, of course, is self-evidenct. Mirrored, Zodiac is always the same. However, J, when mirrored, gives the symbol found in this cipher, as well as resembles a "W" with its ends snipped. I feel this character is a symbol Jack created to represent himself. It is indicative of his initials (J. and W., as mentioned). It is also possible to form the letters J,A,C, and a near-K, by tracing one or more lines of this symbol. However, I am less confident in my "tracing" interpretation, than that Jack simply meant the mirrored J as a representation of himself. This character also bears similarity to the "mirrored J with a dot" from the 340 cipher which some have speculated to mean JWT.
--------------(AEN)Z8K8M8J(NAM)-------------------
The final layer, the first and last three letters, AENNAM, are an anagram for "NAME" with duplicative letters A and N.
What I consider to be my "startling" discovery comes through the 8 kilometer/5 mile "central theme." From Pennsylvania, and having little knowledge of California geography, I did a Google search for "5-mile California" and came up with the town of FIVE MILE TERRACE.
Five Mile Terrace is situated on CA Route 50, approximately 100 miles from Vallejo and 54 miles from South Lake Tahoe. It's 8-1/2 miles from Pollock Pines. At the very least, Jack would have been familiar with this locale.
The final step in my analysis is what is not included in the cipher:
FIVE-MILE appears in the cipher as I analyze it. TERRACE does not.
J.W. or "Jack" is in the cipher using my analysis. TARRANCE is not.
The duplicative letters in the "NAME" anagram are A and N. The letters of discrepancy between TERRACE and TARRANCE are A and N.
In summation(hard to show w/ forum text!):
(NE) NAME (AM)
(NE-A) (ZODIAC) (8 KM) (JACK) (AM-N)
-----(AEN)(Z)(8K8M8)(J)(NAM)-------------
A+("terrace")+N
TARRANCE
If Jack's DNA comes back negative, of course, all of my theories are out the window. However, at the very least, I think it's another possiblity to consider, an interesting communication spark, and possibly something to get others' gears rolling and more ideas flowing on this or the other ciphers![B][/B]"
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The images in this and the following posts are themselves puzzle solvers as, people wondered why the symbol and who might use and for what reasons.[IMG][/IMG]  copied from "Cross/Circle" thread- - [/B]From JoAnneMB1: [11/17/07 at 10:24 AM
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I've been rereading Robert Graysmith's Zodiac Unmasked. Chapter Seven starts out with the report of a San Raphael graphologist who analyzed the Zodiac's handprinting. One of the things the graphologist hypothesized was this: "He puts himself under self-hypnosis consciously or unconsciously..." I'm not too familiar with the art of graphology, and I'm unclear as to how anyone could surmise such a thing based on a subject's writing/printing. But it reminded me of one of the papers that was found among Jack's possessions: what Dennis refers to as "Jack's hypnosis symbol" (see below). When I first saw this document, I was floored to realize that Jack had drawn the crossed-circle symbol and had -- for some reason -- hung onto this paper all his life. But I never really understood what the diagram was used for.
Dennis, could you give us a little insight into this? Did Jack practice self-hynosis? Do you have any ideas about the meaning of the words and letters (such as "CW") which he's written on this document?]
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JoAnne, the "cw" does stand for clockwise, and "ccw" is counter clockwise. Jack would hang a penny from a string and hold the penny over this symbol then he would ask himself a question, then whichever direction the penny moved would give him the answer, Jack claimed that this technique was a way to communicate with his subconcious mind. Jack was very heavy into self-hypnossis for a couple of years in the early 1980's, then something happened to Jack during one of his sessions, and it frightened him so much that he never practiced self-hypnossis again.
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This is another version of Jack's Pendulum or Self Hypnosis Symbol on paper. I put it side by side with a confirmed Zodiac letter. Like the above comments from an old thread refer to, Jack apparently would use this to help him recall what he had done. I wanted the 2 pictures (both photo'd off this site & on my PC screen) on the upper thread but it wouldn't edit correctly. When I first saw the "Cross/Circle" thread and it's symbol almost a year ago, my hair stood on end. I knew I was looking at the right site that claimed Jack was Zodiac. [IMG][/IMG]
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These are stats reflecting what's going on at this thread. Sunday's total was 437 from after 12pm PST to 11:59pm GMT. Mondays total was 584. If anybody has solves that I haven't located yet, feel free to put them here. Please don't be a troublemaking moron, though. I mean, I really don't care but this thread is being viewed, intensely and I posted the file view results so people can see that, although the site appears to be quiet, the world is watching. So, if you do post a silly rant or idea or theory, like the troublemakers have done in the past, you might look kinda foolish for doing so. Anyway, I will be posting a few more, myself, as soon as I locate them. [IMG][/IMG]
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In my quest to locate more puzzles solved at this MB, I came across Radians and a picture found at "Jack Tarrance-Theories" 2007 thread that's of a paper with Jacks handwriting and Mathmatical equations that have to do with Radians. He definitely understood them. So, this to me, is another way of helping solve who is Zodiac Killer. I put the last page of 7/26/70 "List Letter" next to it.[IMG][/IMG]
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The three 8/1/69 ciphers with Mirror J/Ts, FLOV(a)s:[IMG][/IMG] This is the last post for awhile but in August, my findings were only typed (Z-Letters&Stuff thread), so, that went by with a whisper. These were easily decoded, once looking for standout reversed/upside-down letters and the Mirror J/Ts. I circled most of them: 4 J/T combos, 3 reversed F's, 4 reversed L's, 8 colored-in O's, 6 upside-down V's. The Hardens may have deciphered it and LE claimed name wasn't found but Jacks name that's tattoo'd on him: FLOV(A) was there, and so is mirror J/T or John "Jack" Tarrance. It was there all along.
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Catseye, Keep up the good work with this thread. I would like to thank you for the accolades you have bestowed upon me regarding my possible solution to the "my name is cipher". I do have to say that I could be wrong with my solution but, after having looked at it several times, it just appeared to me the way a person stares at one of those pictures which are mainly comprised of multi-colored geometric figures or swirls (what are those pictures called?) for a long time then, BANG, they suddenly see the horse or, flower or, whatever it is that is hidden in the mosaic-like picture. Again, thanks for your support and, if I find anything else of significance in any of the other ciphers, I will let you know. By the way, I've been looking at that Donna Lass cipher and, I have noticed a few things but, it's still too early to see if they mean anything yet. Please bear with me and let my mind just wander. Take care. |
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trustno1, you are welcome. I am seriously interested in seeing this thing through, so, my ego is set aside and I try to understand what others have contributed to this site. Some of these posts here went by without much attention because they got buried by other scene stealers. It's been the trouble with Dennis claims, I see, so, when he had something amazing and factual as far as incredible evidence to present, it was obliterated by the likes of Voigt & crew. That's been the same with this site even before I joined. A great theory, a great idea, a logical find....all of a sudden there would be other threads and even some rants, and that amazing solve would be lost in the foray. I am still searching this site for past posts that fit into this thread to make it easier for people to see why Jack is Zodiac, namely the puzzles being solved!
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Quote: Originally Posted by trustno1
By the way, I've been looking at that Donna Lass cipher and, I have noticed a few things but, it's still too early to see if they mean anything yet. Please bear with me and let my mind just wander. Take care.
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[IMG][/IMG] OK!? Just when I thought I was running into a slump on old solves and old theories from previous members and their posts. Well, this archaic online version Donna Lass Reward Poster circulated early 1970s found via "Donna Lass Reward Cipher" thread (thanks margie11) had a surprise solve last night because of other old threads I had just searched. I needed the time today to gather these up and post them here. [IMG][/IMG]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------[ donum5719 9/21/08 "Mathematical Symbols & Greek Letters" thread:
Not only have I noticed Z uses greek letters - another ploy is using 'colored-in' greek letters. Well he does it also for other lettres at least if they are closed shapes such as 'O'. Z often uses capital greek letters such'delta' (D) - which is a triangle, but colors it in solid, other times he doesnt - and of course these delta symbols arent used by Z for 'd' much think - as that would be too obvious. Also Z borrows symbols from scuba diving, horoscope, & others made up etc - and often modifies these slightly...such as half-coloring-in shapes or placing a central dot (squares, 'Os', deltas, etc)....also to mee this seems to indicate that Z/JT may have been a very visually-oriented person killer - like maybe he got the idea of diagonally-coloring in some of his closed symbols from the scuba diving symbols, which I think are mostly squares in various stages of blacked out...oo this is too long sorrry....! ]
I had just looked at the Donna Lass Reward Cipher, came across the Mathematical thread and it hit me that there was a Greek D/Delta in that cipher. So, here's my solve: standout letter ONE colored in Greek D, only one E (reversed), only 2 N's and only one Y= DENNY. Add this to the fact that DENNY is a name of GREEK origin! So, did Jack understand the meanings of names, too? Using Greek letters like the D in the ciphers is just another clue as to who Zodiac is. Looks like this one is solved, too!
Please see the 340 cipher edit Pg1 of this thread. Draven and margie11 were quietly on to something 9/08.
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[IMG][/IMG]from "Jack IS Zodiac - The Proof Thread"
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"Ok, everyone who believes Jack is Zodiac needs to pick it up a notch. We have to start to talk about the proof that supports our claim. I have come to the conclusion that making statements like for example Jack was seen 2 miles away from the street where at 1am so and so was attacked, this does nothing for the case. Let's keep this thread for statements like for example Dennis is in possession of the hooded outfit Zodiac wore at LB(that is an example of a statement that would indicate concrete proof. This is a fictitious statement, Dennis is NOT in possession of the hood, just to clarify.) There is proof out there that Jack is Zodiac it is that proof that we the people who believe Jack is Zodiac have to dig up, if we don't this claim will never be taken seriously. So if you have non circumstantial proof, post it here and let's solve this thing."
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12/04/07 at 07:06 AM
"Unfortunately, Diamond D, the only evidence that connects ANY of the suspects to the Zodiac is circumstantial. There are no matching prints, no DNA, no discovery of the hooded outfit the Zodiac wore at Lake Berryessa. If people were to limit their discussion of the case to non-circumstantial evidence only, there would be no message board by Tom Voigt, no Zodiac Unmasked by Robert Graysmith, no discussion of the case at all, really. Obviously, when some forensic proof comes along connecting Jack to the Zodiac, we will all be reading about it in the papers! This is not to say that Jack wasn't the Zodiac... just that there is no non-circumstantial evidence available at this time."
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12/09/07 at 08:08 AM
"This is so very true...
For a fact, the evidence and elements needed by law enforcement to make the comparison's between Jack and Zodiac, (DNA, handwriting, physical items), have been provided to the FBI and law enforcement by Dennis. Unfortunately, no concrete evidence linking Jack to Zodiac has been made public or released to the media...
The concrete evidence that we seek here exists, somewhere, I am certain. Again, whether or not it would be publicly revealed, and when, is an unknown until the event actually happens."
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"Joanne, I agree with you whole heartedly that everything there is in regards to the case is circumstantial, but I have been searching and searching for that one piece of concrete evidence that will point to ANY direction, but still nothing, the search continues and so do the theories and discussions..."
Well said DiamondD (and valenlee) way back in 2007. I believe these solves have helped reach the plateau that Jack IS Zodiac, so, thus the reason for this thread and these solves appear to be pretty decent, solid, non-circumstancial evidence that Jack IS Zodiac, so, hopefully no more "searching for that one piece of concrete evidence" as Jacks name, in so many forms, has been there in so many of the Z communications, it's unbelievable! We have the handwriting match and I believe the hood was found, too!
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[IMG][/IMG] CBS13 Website and video clip of Nanette Barto doing Jack Tarrance & Zodiac Killer handwriting comparisons.
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[IMG][/IMG] The top picture is a confirmed Zodiac Killer letter, the bottom is a picture of Jack Tarrance's early 1970s handwriting from Dennis Kaufman's "here is more handwriting" etc. thread. It is truly hard to tell the authors apart! Both look like Jack's handwriting to me!
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[IMG][/IMG] This is VinDecaturs Dennis Kaufman website find of an old Jack Tarrance handwritten paper comparing it to the Zodiac Killer Count Marco Letter. It shows a variant in style of Jack's writing that easily compares to Count Marco letter.
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