sixtieschick
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Jack, in is words, said: " most of the mean stuff is before I went into the service or even before I married my first wife".....
Does that fit into this scenario?? If JT is responsible for the BD murder, the BD murder was brutal to say the least, would that in JT's mind, be one of his "mean" killings??
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Yes tamoose, and JT claimed that he had been in 28 states by the time he was 16 years old.
I am waiting to talk to Dennis to try and track a timeline on whereabouts. Dennis said that previous to the military JT didn't live anywhere, just traveled from place to place!
Thank you sixtieschick for the links.....
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I am doing some research on the lipstick murders, and any help will be much appreciated. Dennis and I plan to sit down, and timeline JT's life previous to Z because this is something that has never been done.
Dennis has records of JT's from the time he was in 8th grade, and up til the Zodiac murders, then after the Zodiac murders til death.
In my search I discovered that the second victim of the LK was an ex-wave as they called it. Bottom line is it is an all female division of the US Navy?????????
There is an unusual letter formation found in the writing on the wall, and I have only ever seen this construction in the Zodiac communications, plus there are backwards "t's" with the hook like JT liked....... We know that Z loved writing letters backwards!!!!
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Quote: Originally Posted by NanetteB
In my search I discovered that the second victim of the LK was an ex-wave as they called it. Bottom line is it is an all female division of the US Navy?????????
WAVES = Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service
It is indeed a Naval branch
From the website
"In July 1942, the Navy Women's Reserve Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The organization's official name became Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service, or "WAVES."The word "emergency" was intended to denote the temporary nature of the women's service. As the war continued, more WAVES were sent overseas to cover noncombat duties. By 1945 there were more than 84,000 women enlisted in the navy. "
http://ww2.mariner.org/women/military/waves.htm
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NanetteB
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That is exactly what I meant! Lol thanks jon55! :)
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NanetteB
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Profiler,
Thanks for courtesy! Could you please post that info you sent me? I think its good for everyone to debate! I couldn't see it so good on the blackberry, I will look at it when I get home! I hadn't seen it, so thanks! :)
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Who did Jack serve with in the Navy? Was any of the Newspaper people BD and/or Zodiac sent mail to in the same group JT served with or have families who served with JT? I already question this about Cheri Jo Bates father Joseph who was in the Navy at some point. I am absolutely curious about this possibility and does anyone have any ideas or answers regarding this?
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NanetteB, sorry if this post doesn't belong here but I was trying to find JTs and Zodiacs Capitol Rs and Cursive Capitol Rs to better understand trustno1's theory on the circled R's in the "My Name Is" puzzle when I found the Halloween Card PARRADiCE section. I recalled in one of your recent posts regarding either the Lipstick Killer or BD about how all the letters were capitalized except the small "i" and this was I believe an argument in favor of linking JT to either LK or BD. Which old, high profile case would all capitol letters except the small "i" would link JT to it? Thanks. I was searching this site for a 1/2 hour and can't locate it!
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There were not alot of capital R's in the Zodiac writing as I recalled. I didn't have alot of Capital letters in there to compare. But, my exam clips on the home page would contain any of them that we had. I remember the Red Phantom letter's envelope was the only cursive exemplar that was written by Z, and JT has some throughout his writing on the home page as well. I just don't recall too many of them!!!
The BD writings were all caps with lower case "i's" and "y's". It turns out JT does not use a the capital form of cursive "G's" at all either; in fact, he uses the same method of writing a lower case cursive "g" larger than the middle zone letters, so that it appears capital just like the "y".
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OK, I decided there will be one more exam completed in this saga! I am going to do a line up of all the handwriting from Z - BD - LK on one spreadsheet. I think the state of mind during the writing process calls for it, so that we are comparing apples to apples. Which I believe is the mindset and writing style of JT while in his killing sprees.
I already felt that BD was a great match with Z writing, now it is time to check it an see! :)
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Last night I completed an exam of the misspellings shared between Z/BD/LK. In doing so, I figured out that the double letter spelling error of JT/Z is not the biggest spelling error he makes. It ended up being the letter "e". 19% of the Z spelling errors are using the letter "e" when it is not called for, "evere" "shakeing" "wateing", and another 11.88% in errors not using the letter "e", overall 95 misspelled words gives us better than a 1/4 in errors executed with the letter "e".
In BD's writing there is 2 spelling errors made. One is the addition of a letter "e" and the other is an exclusion of the letter "e".
Noting: That BD spelled Los Angeles Times Herald correctly, but on the 3rd line of the address he spelled Los Angles. This is significant in that Zodiac would regularly do the same thing in his communications. Like the word "controol" misspelled, and in the next line spell "control" correctly. Also, the misspelling of "Los Angles" can be found in JT's writing.
To see this breakdown on LK, please see the LK thread! :)
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I have completed a spelling comparison between Zodiac and the Black Dahlia...
It can be found at - http://photobucket.com/zodiac_blackdahlia_lipstickkiller_nanette_barto
It is quite lengthy, and includes LK! I believe it is 44 pages, and most of it is the best b/w scans of the real Zodiac writing as you can get! First time released since it was taken down!
There are 4 major spelling errors that the Zodiac makes, and these are what were compared to BD and LK. Low and behold they make the same spelling mistakes as the Zodiac!!! :)
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Great work Nanette
I found the spelling analysis very compelling and a great addition to the handwriting work you had already done.
This is some really detailed stuff.
I have always thought that both JT and z used words, phrases, and spellings of words both as a game and a way to convey misinformation........now it seems as BD and LK do the same.
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And here's my two cents' worth: Great job, Nanette!! Very detailed and striking.
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