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TheTruth, you brought up about Jack having a trial. Well, if the SFPD hadn't stalled for almost 10 years and been cooperative, would have had his day in court while alive. Because of the altered letters and apparently a conspiracy to keep Jack as a suspect...read this site and see CBS13, he wasn't charged, so, he's been tried in public court along with all the other Z suspects for years. Because of the SFPD Jack missed his right as a US CITIZEN to have DUE PROCESS. Even though he died, he stands out because of the overwhelming evidence and he should have some form of DUE Process at least at Federal Level. And, even if Dennis had ZERO credibility it would not change this as HE did not give birth to Jack. I would love to see this come to conclusion and hate to see Jack and Voigts Gaizowsky and Mr. Allen and my dog Shep and???? who else will they bring up to talk about for years and years going round and round but there are those, in it for the big money: websites, DVDs, Movies, Radio/TV, T-shirts, underwear, socks, BEER....help us with something very constructive to see this end. I would have posted 1/2 hour ago but my PC crashed 2X!
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Several people have asked me what thetruth told me in a phone conversation with him. I have not told anyone. The only thing I said anything about was the Tattoo dead guy picture. I will reveal one thing, and I never asked this question to Larsen, he just offered it. He said Dennis is not in this for the money.I hope this is good information for some who question it.
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That is awesome to hear as it is what I have felt all along! I just know that if Richard indeed told you all these things then why not share them himself. Why lay the burden on you? That way he can take the heat for the falsehoods as they appear.
Look, this man has made several calls obviously to different people blasting Dennis, then comes here and offers no evidence to support his claims. I understand that he has his own record an arms length long, so when credibility comes into play here, we need to consider these things. Indeed, his own son has followed in his footsteps, and that was verified by Richard and Cierra(who we think is Rick's wife incognito) The language is memories of someone who experienced these times, and Cierra would have only been 3 years old at the time of all of this.
The story per Dennis and the hospital was that a security guard stepped between Dennis and Rick in the hospital, and when Rick thought he was safe he started running his mouth again, Dennis punched him around the security guard, evidentally so hard that Rick fell backwards into his own daughter knocking her into a bench and cutting her face.
I see nothing more than an attempt to discredit Dennis by Rick, in all these acts which you are right to some degree, that this pic doesn't matter because it was never hard evidence to begin with as Dennis will tell you he didn't know who this guy was or what happened to him, but it it was in JT's possession, and that he may have done it. He doesn't know he wasn't there! :)
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jon55
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Quote: Originally Posted by bruyoc
Several people have asked me what thetruth told me in a phone conversation with him. I have not told anyone. The only thing I said anything about was the Tattoo dead guy picture. I will reveal one thing, and I never asked this question to Larsen, he just offered it. He said Dennis is not in this for the money.I hope this is good information for some who question it.
Thank you Bruyoc............I have felt this all along as well...........if anyone thinks that there is any serious money to be made here I think they are deluding theirselves.........it will be huge if z is ever fingered by the FBI or equivelent but the hoopla will not last long and while there may be a few dollars to be made most of that will be sucked up by the actors and producers.
All of this dosent mean that it couldnt be a motive for some ppl I am just saying they would be fooling thierselves ..........I really do not think that DP is in it for the money per se I think she just loves the attention.
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Thus far I have not had much to say on this current situation that is because alot of it boils down to a family quarrel and it is best whenever possible to stay out of the middle of those...........It is my opinion any time you have this number of siblings it almost always ends up with some of them fighting........I know this from experiance as there are 5 of us all close in age..........and my parents where great.
In your situation things where made even worse by an abuseive father...........
Richard I do not think you are a bad person...........you have been truthfull on a lot of things that you really didnt have to be......I just think you and your family are tired of the whole thing (who wouldnt be) and you saw your chance to make it at least die down some.
You are correct that even if Jack is proved without a doubt not to be z that it will never really go away.........you and your family have my sympathies on that.
I can also see Dennis position he believes this man took his mother and if he lets him get away with it then Jack wins.
So here we are I personally hope you will stay and help us get all the way to the bottom and let the truth of it be known.
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Registered: 07/26/09
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Fair enough, I will spend a couple days trying to get things together. I am all up for a exchange of facts. Jack is not my father.So I dont know him as will as if he raised me >Thank god. I have nothing against anyone that post here or think any of you have done anything wrong, I am sorry if I came off that way.I cannot with a 100% satisfation say jack isnt z. Fair enough. But lets remimber all the evidence is hard to say anything about without really looking into this. And I will. You all do deserve to know why I feel the way I do.I will be civil and only refer to dennis in respectful language and refrain from personal insalts.
I am trying to get Denny on the phone and talk to him personally. I also have a call into Jacks first wifes other children. I have talk to Garys ex and Garys daughter I am going to have them answer some questions. It would be easer if you all could e-mail me alist of questions you want answered if you have anything specific you want to know and I will try to find out. Hillbillyrick420@aol.com..
I also promise you that if I find anything that points to Jack as the zodiac I will post that too. I do not believe he was but I have been wrong before. Just keeping a open mind I ask the same. You can show me why you believe and i can go the other way and who knows we might get somewhere.
Some of the info I am going to post and tell you about you are not going to have any better opinion of Jack than you do now just defferent. He was a monster and had a bad side and it was brought out by liquor and drugs. This is not my life or the way I grew up so i can only say what I know first hand and I will keep my family and all of the people that this effects in mind.So some quistions I may send only to the person who ask the quistion and then I will leave it up to them if thy feel it is relevant and should be posted. |
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You were all good up to the part where you asked to be privately emailed. You see we don't want to take the heat for making false accusations, so it is better that the questions and facts stay on the board by the person who is reporting them!!!! That is fair. Bruyoc took some heat for some of the stuff that you told him, and it is on your shoulders to prove that JT wasn't Z to this board, not it's members.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I was only refering to any private questions that you may feel are best kept personal. I appoligize for the way that came across I by all means want to keep this part friendly.FYI I have read on this board that Dennis says that it is Noel and he still holds to not knowing him.How does he know? I should have the same courtesy to knowing the facts Dennis has on this one. How does he know. Just a question. Shouldnt be hard. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by thetruth
he was not the pilot just the guy who read the map he never "flew" a plane as for as i know but he could have my son is in the air all the time
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Bruyoc,
I wondered when someone was going to pick up on some of the evidence that points to JT that has been posted by Richard Larsen. In his attempts to say JT wasn't Z, he is actually making a case for it!!! LOL
1. He read maps for airplane navigation. (My thought is how many buddies might let you take the wheel from time to time?)
2. He had one leg shorter than the other creating a limp. (Z was described to have a lumber.)
3. He spoke about his murders constantly to Rick & Mary. (Whether they chose to believe it or not)Not many people go around confessing to things that might get them into trouble!!!
I will go back through his posts, but I really saw that he was helping us and not hindering because he is confirming many things everyone wanted to know.
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thetruth
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I have no proplem if what I uncover is that Jack is the zodiac. I will show all i find and tell all I know. AS far as reading maps I am one of the best around here learned it in boys scouts I am a eagle scout. Jack had as horter leg than the other. True. He also wore corrective shoes. He did have friends that would probably let him fly. I do remember Jack telling me stories of some mean scraps he got into where he stabed a man and anouther time he ran over a man. Both were in fights while he was drunk. I am not trying to destort the facts or make up anything.We have never said Jack didnt tell us his stories. We said that after looking at this for sometime I changed my mind. Mary never believed Jack was the zodiac. allot of people are just as violent as Jack was in his youth.Doesnt make them a serial killer just a asshole.
At this point now that Dennis has said that the pic he has is of Noel. I am wondering what else is tampered with. I am told not to trust the sfpd and so many others I am confussed. What is just the facts without the personal views. Everyone wants to say the story from thier point of view and how the person they feel did it. Im Looking for the dry facts. We can put a name on him later. |
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When I first heard of the outragious claims that Rick Larsen was making, I was furious. After thinking about it for a couple of days, it is all beggining to make sense. Rick was certain that Jack was the Zodiac until recently, what made him change his opinion? If Rick knew the identity of a person in one of the photo's, why did it take him so long to come forward? The photo's have been on the internet for month's. Rick has been asked more than once as to what changed his mind about Jack being Zodiac, he still has not given us any answers and I believe I know why. A couple of weeks ago I was contacted by a relative of Jack's that lives in Texas, and they told me that Jack had confessed to them about killing my mother. A fews days later my sister Mary called me and I told her about this relative of Jack's that had contacted me and had some information about Jack killing Mom, and this is when Rick Larsen came out of the woodworks desperately trying to discredit me. Rick has always been jealous of me, but this goes beyond being jealous. I will admitt that I have never cared for Rick, and I believe I have good reason to feel this way. When Rick first met my sister Mary she was only thirteen years old, and Rick was a twenty year old grown man. Mary was just a child and didn;t want anything to do with Rick. I did what any older brother would do and told him to stay away from my little sister. Rick refused to go away and somehow made friends with Jack, and Jack let Rick move in our house. For a long time Mary would rarely come home because rick was there. One night Rick got Mary drunk and pushed her into having sex with him, and got her pregnant. Rick's actions was nothing less than rape, as well as child molestation. Rick and Mary were soon sharing the same room and looking back I realize that Rick and Jack had something in common, they both wanted me gone and at age fifteen Jack kicked me out. Several years later my mother stayed with Rick and Mary in Olympia Washington and Rick treated her so bad that I had to pick her up and bring her to Sacramento to stay with Joy and I. When I talked to Jack about how rick treated Mom, Jack told me that he had asked Rick to treat her that way. Rick had treated Mom so bad that she wrote a journal of what happened. I will be posting this journal. I later confronted Rick about Jack asking him to be hard on Mom, and he confirmed it then laughed and said, "I guess I over did it" Then in 1999 when Mom was in comma, Jack called Rick and said he needed him down here. When Mary and Rick arrived that is when the problems began, and it is becoming more obvious that Rick Larsen was involved in my mothers death. My Mother was the best person in the world and I will get everyone that was involved with her murder if it is the last fucking thing I do! I will ask the relative of Jack if they will come here on the message board and talk about what Jack had told them, and they knew Jack better than anyone. |
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thetruth
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Dennis thank you for more outlandish lies. I am sure your sister will have something tosay. Now acuusing me of murder is kind of funny I knew you had no morals but please be real |
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Rick told news and Review that he had Jack's body creamated so they couldn't get his DNA, this is obstruction of justice in the first degree. Why were you worried about them getting Jack's DNA? Why don't you elaborate some more on this so called meth lab? Why would you post under your daughter's name? Cierra didn't post those messages, I know that, and so do you. Now I am responsible for Ricky being in prison? Ricky went to prison for selling cocaine, stolen guns, etc. The same exact thing you have in your possesion right now. I even tried to warn Mary and You both about Ricky, and you refused to listen, remember? |
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dennislkaufman
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I accussed you of alot of other things besides murder, are you denying these things too?
Were did you go Rick? |
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